Jon vs. Dent

Jon to Kory,
Interesting that you would bring up the women at the tomb. In a study of the book of John last year, something came to my attention that I hadn't considered before in this story. Jesus appeared to the women first after He had risen. As witnesses, at that time their testimony would not have been counted as valid since they were women. And yet John included it in his account, inspired by the Holy Spirit, as evidence of the resurrection. This points to the conclusion that God considered their witness just as valid as that of the apostles!

In talking about gender equality, we have to be careful that we don't carry it too far [WHAT?!!]. We are of equal importance in God's sight, yes, but there are some distinct differences between men and women in roles and responsibility.

Dent to Jon.
Just a quick question.
How can we take loving others as God loves us too far?

Oh and another quick question.
So do these differences affect equality? And if so who is more equal and who is less? And on top of that can we also start diving into physical attributes of each individual? For instance skin color, eye color, and physical features. None of these things that make up mankind affect equality in any sense whatsoever. So ultimately, I guess my question is what shouldn't we take too far? Viewing humanity as humanity? The statement that men and women have different roles and responsibilities is already known and is impossible to escape whether people want to fight that or not. So even bringing that up is redundant and as far as I'm concerned harmful. I believe the differences between men and women have been stuffed down the worlds throat for entirely too long now and this is why we are facing this negative reaction and false teaching of a type of "equality" that never existed. The blame lies here.
Jon to Dent.
In answer to you first question, we can't take loving others to far. We can, however, take the idea of gender equality to a level that it was not intended to be. Basically, it's the idea that because men and women are created equal, a woman can fill the same roles as a man, particularly in leadership both in the secular realm and in the church. This is not the type of equality that God shows in His Word. Even in instances where women were in leadership, those seem to be the exceptions, not the rule.

I see us as having swung from one extreme to the other, from women being looked at as unintelligent and of less importance, to the state where women are filling the same roles as men and trying to prove their indepencance. This is where I see that we can carry equality too far.

Dent to All
I believe that any person male or female is called by the Spirit to follow their calling into whatever it is God has in mind. For instance when a woman is called into pastoral ministry (which I have every bit of faith they truly are) I don't really think that God's sitting there going "Wait a minute here... This person's a woman. Sorry my mistake!"

[assumed Jon to Dent] no real address to me
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Your basic premise is right, God wouldn't make a mistake of calling someone to a ministry that He doesn't want them in. But based on that, does God necessarily want women in some of these roles? The Bible points to men as being the leaders in the church, not women.

Dent to Jon
What can be made of Phoebe who is given the title diakonos which is the masculine form for the title of deacon? Or what can be made of Deborah the judge? Concerning Acts 2:17-18

"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy."

Should women whom prophecy do this in the confines of there own home to there "superiors" in order to be heard by all? Must they remain silent withholding God's word from the church?

On another note what can be made of women professors then? whom are responsible over grown students both men and women? Female professors in a Christian college whom both teaches and ministers to the church? Should this practice be stopped?

Jon to Dent [here's the kicker!]
This will probably bring everyone at my throat, but yes, I thing that the practice of women teaching men in college should be stopped. Women should not be placed in authority over men. God placed Adam over Eve. "And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee" Gen. 3:16. God gave the responsibility of leading to men (though older women should also teach younger women).

The End.

Jon loses...


ETC said...

what about herms?

Hollingsworth J. McTubbins said...